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spectre
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Posted 31-10-2012 21:00 by spectre Wijzig reactieProfiel van spectreQuote dit bericht

Ik ben het met je eens Bart\!


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De Tegenpartij
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Posted 31-10-2012 21:20 by De Tegenpartij Wijzig reactieProfiel van De TegenpartijQuote dit berichthttp://www.judgementday.nl

Ik vertrek maar even uit het topic.




En dat, als ik 'em dan in m'n mond stop en ik bijt, doorbijt, dattie dan zo ineens bwehlehlee whe. Zo loopt, in m'n mond. Dus dat het nat wordt en zoet, in m'n mond. Dát wil ik.


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Posted 31-10-2012 21:20 by Hypnos (Hoofdredacteur) Wijzig reactieProfiel van HypnosQuote dit bericht



nee echt... komaan, wat een nummers staan op die laatste

zelfs beter dan dat nieuwe ding van Tom


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Posted 31-10-2012 21:31 by De Ulk Wijzig reactieProfiel van De UlkQuote dit bericht

Ik vind Monotheist niet echt vergelijkbaar met wat Celtic Frost ooit maakte, en waar ik ze goed vind: de eerste twee mini's en het eerste album (Hellhammer vind ik nóg gaver, maar dat terzijde).
Later werd er met van alles geëxperimenteerd. Soms geslaagd, soms wat minder.
Ik heb Monotheist een paar keer gehoord, maar kan er niet zo veel mee.


Bareuh...


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Posted 31-10-2012 21:32 by Hypnos (Hoofdredacteur) Wijzig reactieProfiel van HypnosQuote dit bericht





ik begrijp trouwens echt niet waarom zoveel jonge mensjes uit mijn omgeving stekezot lopen van Hellhammer


sadopubertoestanden


Ik, woordenaar


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Posted 31-10-2012 21:36 by De Tegenpartij Wijzig reactieProfiel van De TegenpartijQuote dit berichthttp://www.judgementday.nl

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Op 31 oktober 2012 21:31 schreef De Ulk het volgende:

Ik heb Monotheist een paar keer gehoord, maar kan er niet zo veel mee.


Dat dus.




En dat, als ik 'em dan in m'n mond stop en ik bijt, doorbijt, dattie dan zo ineens bwehlehlee whe. Zo loopt, in m'n mond. Dus dat het nat wordt en zoet, in m'n mond. Dát wil ik.


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Posted 31-10-2012 21:36 by De Ulk Wijzig reactieProfiel van De UlkQuote dit bericht

Ik ben geen jong mensje, maar ik hou van de primitiefheid van Hellhammer. Simpele nummers met slechts enkele riffs, en een lekkere 'drive' erin.


Bareuh...


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Posted 31-10-2012 21:41 by spectre Wijzig reactieProfiel van spectreQuote dit bericht

Dat vroege werk van Celtic Frost kan nog steeds mee wat geluid betreft, erg fijn.


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Posted 31-10-2012 22:11 by De Tegenpartij Wijzig reactieProfiel van De TegenpartijQuote dit berichthttp://www.judgementday.nl

Spectre, hoe zit het met dat gitaargeluid van warrior? Nogal een typisch, eigen "sound". Waarom is (edit: wat maakt) dat zo supervet?




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En dat, als ik 'em dan in m'n mond stop en ik bijt, doorbijt, dattie dan zo ineens bwehlehlee whe. Zo loopt, in m'n mond. Dus dat het nat wordt en zoet, in m'n mond. Dát wil ik.


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Posted 31-10-2012 22:19 by spectre Wijzig reactieProfiel van spectreQuote dit bericht

Dat moet je mij niet vragen hoor. Ik weet niet eens waar hij op speelt. Ik denk dat een groot gedeelte van de sound de basgitaar is trouwens.

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Posted 31-10-2012 22:51 by bokkie666 Wijzig reactieProfiel van bokkie666Quote dit bericht

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Op 31 oktober 2012 22:11 schreef De Tegenpartij het volgende:
Spectre, hoe zit het met dat gitaargeluid van warrior? Nogal een typisch, eigen "sound". Waarom is (edit: wat maakt) dat zo supervet?



Het is vooral zijn manier van spelen, dacht ik.


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Posted 31-10-2012 23:01 by spectre Wijzig reactieProfiel van spectreQuote dit bericht

Dat is altijd een groot gedeelte van een "geluid" inderdaad


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Posted 01-11-2012 0:16 by spectre Wijzig reactieProfiel van spectreQuote dit bericht

.. dubbel

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Posted 01-11-2012 0:27 by spectre Wijzig reactieProfiel van spectreQuote dit bericht

Hop, ff gezocht voor Wim

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Thomas Gabriel Fischer provided H2CF with the complete rundown of the equipment used during the existence of Celtic Frost:

My main guitar during the early years was the Ibanez Iceman. As you know, there were two main series of that guitar, the expensive one with all inlays, mirror, heavy wood, etc. and the stripped-down model made of cheaper, lightweight wood, without most of the decorations. I first received the budget model during the very early days of CF. Our then-roadie Dinosaur bought it off the wall at a music store and handed it to me as a gift. And even though it was the budget model, it was a treasure to me - we were completely broke, and, as stupid as it sounds, we could hardly afford the instruments necessary to get closer to a professional standard. That cheap guitar sounded so unbelievably good and aggressive that I later bought a second one, once we had negotiated a deal with our main suppliers. This time, it was the elaborate model, but it didn't sound half as good as the cheap one (which nobody had on sale anymore)! It was also much heavier and therefore uncomfortable, and it went out of tune easily. It also didn't have the bolted-on neck of the budget model. Even though I didn't have a tremolo system at that time (and therefore none of the associated string retainer screws at the machine head), the cheap model still stayed in tune extremely well, in spite of me giving it quite a beating when playing (onstage and in rehearsals). I also used to bend the neck for tremolo effects, but the cheap Iceman always held the tuning for at least several songs, in the heat of the stage lights, until a roadie had to retune it. After the positive experience with Ibanez guitars (and I had already played an Ibanez Les Paul copy during the early HH days), I bought an Ibanez Sharkfin for the "To Mega Therion" sessions. You can see that guitar on the large promo poster for that album. It was a piece of shit, though, and I only used it for the solos on that album (it was my first guitar with a tremolo unit, I wanted to have that on the album). All other guitar tracks in CF up to that point had been played on the (budget) Iceman.

Just like the upgrading of the equipment from HH to CF had been a step towards being more professional, the same still applied when we grew more professional during CF's existence. When Reed, Martin and me became increasingly annoyed at the attitude of some of the underground and hardcore scene (which was a large part of our audience in the early days) and decided to move into a more mature and "commercial" direction for the album after "To Mega Therion", we knew that we needed to upgrade to be on an equal level with our contemporary "competition". This decision took place in the course of our first US tour in 1986.

We returned home with a total urge to buy up-to-date equipment. We also finally had enough success to achieve some significant deals here and there. Being left-handed, Martin had his old Music Man jazz bass backed up by a custom-made Gibson "Flying V" bass (can't remember whether active or not). Warwick then got him some additional custom-converted left-handed basses. Reed had played an old Pearl kit (which was/is also Stephen Priestly's choice of kit), but now changed to Sonor, who supplied a new double-bass kit after he visited their headquarters in Germany. He also got a Paiste deal. The giant drum sticks were not acqurired under a deal, but collected from all over the world. Reed's super heavy drumming was a big problem. We went through drum heads daily, through cymbals weekly, and even the strong Sonor metal stands and connections broke or shifted frequently to become a major financial and musical headache. My then guitar tech, Tommy of Coroner, who had been there during our decision to move forward, suggested I try St. Blues Strats. These were handcrafted guitars from Memphis. I tried and was hooked for life. They were expensive, but I still managed to obtain three (two red, one black), through deals and by buying at least one of them second-hand from my main guitar supplier. These guitars were/are perfect for me. They fit my hand tailor-made, are light yet solid, sound killer and have bolted-on necks(which I love). These guitars all but replaced my previous guitars. I also owned two B.C. Rich guitars, one of which I occasionally played live as a back-up. They looked good but sounded crap with my sound, and they were extremely neck-heavy. I sold both, but not before using one in the "Cherry Orchards" video.

From the writing sessions for "...Pandemonium" to the end of CF (and today), the St.Blues guitars remained my main instruments. All my other guitars simply became decorations in my house or emergency back-ups on the road. All of "...Pandemonium" was recorded with my first one, which I still own (the red one in the pictures on the AS website), and which you can hear on all of my recordings (CD and demo) since then. Unfortunately, after the termination of CF, I sold two of my three St. Blues guitars, since I had no future project in my mind. I regret that very much now - the company is long out of the business, and I will have to try and trace down some St. Blues guitars from specialist second-hand music stores in coming years. Which probably makes them even more expensive! With my first St. Blues came my first Kahler tremolo, which I found to be the only trem unit that stayed in tune with my playing (again, it had to be able to take a total beating). So I had most of my guitars converted to old Kahler trems. I still love them to this day.

Around the time of 'Cold Lake', we also landed a Charvel endorsement deal, and therefore all owned a bunch of Charvel Strats. Curt played them, and I think Ron had played them, too, of course before we even had the deal. I played them occasionally at home or as a back-up on the road. I found them quite alright, and they sounded good, but they couldn't compete with the St. Blues Strats. We got the Charvels cheap and plenty and therefore used them when we hacked guitars to pieces on stage! Charvel must have loved, too, that we wrote on the album that we were playing Charvel, and then I went on the road with something else...

From "Cold Lake" on, we switched guitars around in the studio in order to achieve a more diverse sound. We would play many different models on each album, each song, even each individual guitar track and riff! The exact same procedure also applied to who would play a particular take. Often, one riff was played by me, the next by Curt. Rigid rules were thrown out. This remained CF practice until the end. Quite a difference to the early albums, where everything was played with one guitar (which had its charm, too), and I was the only one to play this instrument! In AS, we have calmed down somewhat, but still do not limit ourselves to strict one-instrument or one-player procedures. The outcome of the song is the important thing, not the "who's who".

I used to use D'Addario strings during the first years, then switched to Ernie Ball.

My stack of choice was always the Marshall JCM 800 100 watt amp with two standard cabinets. I owned two, one at the rehearsal studio, and one at home in the guitar room, where we wrote and demoed much material for ourselves (and, NO, I didn't keep those demos until today - they were just basic drum machine/guitar/bass affairs). The only effects I used/use were/are Ibanez Tube Screamers (always on) and the Roland Rocker Wah (solos). This was/is so potent, that it requires a noise gate. This combination really is the CF sound. Ron Marks, like most accomplished guitarists, initially played a rack with various equipment, but I seem to remember that he later switched to the same set-up as me. So did Curt.

I also always had/have a bass around, either one of my own, or one loaned by the bass player. I like to write on the bass, and recently, in AS, have written more on the bass than on the guitar.

On the road and in the studio, CF always rented additional equipment. On tour, this was mainly Marshall amps and cabinets (many of the latter being fakes), as well as back-up copies of our other equipment and noise gates etc. In the studio, we utilized a wide variety of additional amps and effects, even additional borrowed guitars, to achieve a multi-colored sound. This practice began during the "...Pandemonium" sessions and went almost too far during "Vanity/Nemesis" and especially when AS recorded "Sub".

As far as microphones are concerned, I mostly used Shures. I now use Shure SM 58 cordless radio microphones.


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Posted 01-11-2012 9:36 by attila_de_hun Wijzig reactieProfiel van attila_de_hunQuote dit bericht

dubbel

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Posted 01-11-2012 9:42 by attila_de_hun Wijzig reactieProfiel van attila_de_hunQuote dit bericht

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Op 31 oktober 2012 20:39 schreef Hypnos het volgende:
je mag zeggen wat je wil, Monotheist vind ik het aller aller aller beste van CF ooit

als ik mag zeggen wat ik wil, dan zeg ik dat ik dat niet vind! zo dan! Blijft voor mij Morbid tales, maar verder vind ik bijna alles (erg) goed vanaf hellhammer to en met triptykon (behlave dan de braakplaat cold lake)


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Posted 01-01-2015 22:15 by De Tegenpartij Wijzig reactieProfiel van De TegenpartijQuote dit berichthttp://www.judgementday.nl

Gaaf, Spectre!

Omdat het kan. Die rechter doet het wel leuk, online, geloof ik. Die rechter wat minder, tegen de 40 euro. En er zit een prijssticker op die noise hoes. 32,50 gulden. Wat een geld in die tijd. Dat ik dat had...






En dat, als ik 'em dan in m'n mond stop en ik bijt, doorbijt, dattie dan zo ineens bwehlehlee whe. Zo loopt, in m'n mond. Dus dat het nat wordt en zoet, in m'n mond. Dát wil ik.


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Op 1 januari 2015 22:15 schreef De Tegenpartij het volgende:
Gaaf, Spectre!

Omdat het kan. Die rechter doet het wel leuk, online, geloof ik. Die rechter wat minder, tegen de 40 euro. En er zit een prijssticker op die noise hoes. 32,50 gulden. Wat een geld in die tijd. Dat ik dat had...







Het was zeker in die tijd al veel geld voor wat jongens tussen de 15 en 20 jaar.
Het zijn de meest voorkomende picture albums van Frost.
Ik heb ze zelf ook.
Als je Morbid Tales op original picture in huis hebt dus de persing van 1985.
Waar Noise er 200 van geperst heeft.
Dan heb je de duurste, ik heb hem zelf ook niet.


http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=celtic+frost+morbid+tales&sortord=&pagenum=1&incldescr=&currsel=&thumbs=


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Posted 02-01-2015 13:43 by Mutilator (Moderator) Wijzig reactieProfiel van MutilatorQuote dit berichthttp://wp.livereviewer.com/

Grappig en frappant dat die budget Iceman veel beter klonk dan de dure versie.


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Posted 02-01-2015 14:24 by Spirit In Black Wijzig reactieProfiel van Spirit In BlackQuote dit bericht

heb picture discs nooit begrepen, als ik het aantal verkochte items op Popsike bekijk, meerdere met mij. De reguliere versie van Morbid Tales is ook prijziger dan verwacht.


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Posted 02-01-2015 16:37 by ColdheartMinor Wijzig reactieProfiel van ColdheartMinorQuote dit berichthttp://last.fm/user/remco-verhees

Iceman is sowieso briljant. Blij dat ze weer geproduceerd gaan worden.



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Posted 02-01-2015 17:18 by tomcat ha Wijzig reactieProfiel van tomcat haQuote dit bericht

cruciaal ook voor de CF geluid is de tone knob naar beneden draaien.



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O.


If there’s one thing we’ve learned from the death of Dimebag it’s this, making shitty music can get you killed.


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Al ooit gepost? Nee? Mooi. Dansen maar!



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Posted 03-02-2015 6:16 by caron Wijzig reactieProfiel van caronQuote dit bericht

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Op 31 oktober 2012 21:32 schreef Hypnos het volgende:




ik begrijp trouwens echt niet waarom zoveel jonge mensjes uit mijn omgeving stekezot lopen van Hellhammer


sadopubertoestanden


Posen hein.
Net lijk die jongelingen met Bathory-shirts.

Net lijk Venom kan ik niet veel met Celtic Frost of Hellhammer, laat staan één Monotheist.
Al die worshio klinkt me iets te klef en te poserig.

Die Duitse thrash-giganten klonken op hun eerste schijven veel meer evil dan bovenstaanden, Destruction's Sentenced to death, In the sign of evil of Pleasure to kill, alsook Sarcofago's Inri of Sepultura's Morbid Visions.

Celtic Frost, ik kan daar geen posters van maken.


En nu gaan we vegen


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